boborg Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 (edited) If anybody has a Ati 2400 or 2600 and access to BBCHD, I would like to know if you get video with 2400 and DXvA enabled. I can only get pictures with Cyberlink 7.3 with DXvA disabled. Other H.264 channels work with DXvA enabled. Regardless of it's live stream or playback of recorded BBCHD stream. I've got a 2400 Pro and XP (SP2) using Catalyst 7.6 Edited July 5, 2007 by boborg Quote Link to comment
CiNcH Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 (edited) I have postet two different BBC HD samples (progressive and interlaced, both MBAFF). vonMengen and Steve both were able to decode the 'Robin Hood' sample with UVD. Beyonce Konzert BBC HD Robin Hood However I have problems decoding these samples with PureVideo HD 2, that's why I posted them... Edited July 5, 2007 by CiNcH Quote Link to comment
boborg Posted July 5, 2007 Author Share Posted July 5, 2007 Thanks for the info. Strange none of them gives pictures for me with DXvA enabled. Think I'll test a clean WinXP install. Quote Link to comment
CiNcH Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 I've got a 2400 Pro BTW, read this... Quote from the article: The RV610LE will be known to the world as Radeon HD 2400 Pro, and will support 720p HD playback. If you want 1080p HD playback, you have to get a faster performing part. Quote Link to comment
vonMengen Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 (edited) If anybody has a Ati 2400 or 2600 and access to BBCHD, I would like to know if you get video with 2400 and DXvA enabled. I can only get pictures with Cyberlink 7.4 with DXvA disabled. Other H.264 channels work with DXvA enabled. Regardless of it's live stream or playback of recorded BBCHD stream. I've got a 2400 Pro and XP (SP2) using Catalyst 7.6 wouldn`t it be better to post this in the 2400/2600 thread ? @ Cinch posted the answer to the BBC streams in the 2400/thread Edited July 6, 2007 by vonMengen Quote Link to comment
Zyknyp Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 BTW, read this... Quote from the article: "The RV610LE will be known to the world as Radeon HD 2400 Pro, and will support 720p HD playback. If you want 1080p HD playback, you have to get a faster performing part." If the UVD engine is the same (and it's logical to think that it is the same, for two different engines would mean higher manufacturing costs for the same GPU class) there's no way that the 2400 cards (all of them) can't decode 1080p, BUT being stifled on purpose somehow (something HW disabled? Drivers?). Quote Link to comment
CiNcH Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 Clock frequency could also play a role... Quote Link to comment
vonMengen Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 Clock frequency could also play a role... problem halfway solved look into the HD 2400 thread Quote Link to comment
ricabullah Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 I have problems decoding these samples with PureVideo HD 2, that's why I posted them... Hi CiNcH ! You mean with 8600 GTS? Quote Link to comment
CiNcH Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 Exactly. Probably you could give 'em a try too... After a few seconds, playback becomes jerky (and it is not the problem mentioned in the Premiere HD/Discovery HD thread, there the problem is with CyberLink's "software algorithms"). Quote Link to comment
ricabullah Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 Probably you could give 'em a try too... I guess so. With XP and Vista. Thanks for uploading! Quote Link to comment
ricabullah Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 (edited) After a few seconds, playback becomes jerky Nothing. No jerk, no jitter. First trial has been made for both files on Vista.(FW:158.44) In couple of hours i'll give a try on XP. Result is just same as post 5 on "GraphSelector plugin" thread of mine. here If boborg allows me, i'll post captures later (since it's 2400 thread) Best! Edited July 5, 2007 by ricabullah Quote Link to comment
arfster Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 Beyonce Konzert BBC HD Robin Hood However I have problems decoding these samples with PureVideo HD 2, that's why I posted them... Strange, works fine for me with the 8500GT (Vista/162.15): Shot at 2007-07-05 Quote Link to comment
azeman Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 Both samples play completely perfect without any artifacts on my system at relative constant 38% CPU-Cycles under XPSP2, ATI1950Pro, Cat.6.6 and Overlay with the actual DVBViewerPro-Beta 3.6.4.12 and Cyberlink 7.3 Video CODEC with DxVA enabled and AC3 Filter as Audio Codec. On the Beyonce concert sample the camera pan ist perfectly smooth like our 50Hz MPEG2-PAL-Interlace-Broadcasts here in Germany. VERY nice to see these smooth movements in HD. :-) Quote Link to comment
ricabullah Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 (edited) Second trial has been made on XP: no jitter, no jerk. FW 165.01 without any problem. Overlay mixer OK, WMR 9 OK. If you don't mind boborg, at least one capture from Vista. (sorry, PeterPan; while Beyonce is available, sure i'll add her, not you Edited July 5, 2007 by ricabullah Quote Link to comment
ricabullah Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 (edited) By the way; let me declare: I appreciate to CiNcH; cause he provoked me to use this HA. One month ago i was asking him what to do. Thanks again for the orientation, i must admit you are the master of mine. Best! Edited July 5, 2007 by ricabullah Quote Link to comment
CiNcH Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 (edited) Thanks rica, I can now reproduce the problem. It only occurs when playing it in DVBViewer with either VMR7 or VMR9 and hardware acceleration turned on (DVBViewer also connects the OSD Source, but when disconnecting it from the running graph, the problem remains). Overlay works fine. Playing it with GraphEdit with VMR is no problem either, even with hardware acceleration turned on. Edited July 5, 2007 by CiNcH Quote Link to comment
CiNcH Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 I really don't get it. In GE, when playing Robin Hood, playback is smooth when using DVBSource, but when using another demuxer, the mentioned glitches occur. In Pro glitches occur with either demuxer. I am really not getting this problem which seems to depend on demuxer and renderer. Quote Link to comment
ricabullah Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 (edited) Yes, you are right. I use just graphedit after Griga's approach, so i didn't get awared whether it's working with DVBViewer or GE anymore. I think our friends should make their homework better anyway. Just being aggresive will not solve the problems in my opinion. I am never planning to wait 3 years till the parts get cheaper. In a year 830, 945, 6600 7600GS,Quadro 560FX,7950GTX,8600GTS and i don't earn my money from this job. I'm just a fwwwwwg enthusiast. What about the devolopers? Look around; these guys are giving 100 greens for just a decoder. If 20 USD is not enough; increase ! But don't tell me you gonna wait till the time when parts gonna get cheaper. Edited July 6, 2007 by ricabullah Quote Link to comment
CiNcH Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 (edited) Ok, now it is also smooth with Pro and DVBSource. Seems I played too much with H.264 latency value . But still I wonder how a different renderer could work around the problem. Edited July 6, 2007 by CiNcH Quote Link to comment
ricabullah Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 CiNcH You just try to connect DVB source filter to ts. (for live broadcast) So lets use Graphedit alone. I'm ready to pay for DVBSource filter anyway. Quote Link to comment
Zyknyp Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 Clock frequency could also play a role... Not if your slightly more clocked sister card only uses 10% of CPU power for decoding 1080p: the clock difference can't be so huge to make it impossible for the lesser clocked card to decode 1080p conveniently as well. Quote Link to comment
arfster Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 Just got my 2400pro. Using Vista and cat7.6, there is (sort of) a problem with mbaff interlaced content. It is engaging DXVA, you get see this from rivatuner, from PDVD info tab, and from the fact hardware deinterlacing is happening. However, there's only a little acceleration going on, or something else is eating CPU. With a 2ghz Core2, that beyonce clip gives 40% CPU. With hardware acceleration off, it's 55-60. Note that h264 acceleration is fine playing off Bluray, down around 2% even with 40-50mbit. Quote Link to comment
vonMengen Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 (edited) Just got my 2400pro. Using Vista and cat7.6, there is (sort of) a problem with mbaff interlaced content. It is engaging DXVA, you get see this from rivatuner, from PDVD info tab, and from the fact hardware deinterlacing is happening. However, there's only a little acceleration going on, or something else is eating CPU. With a 2ghz Core2, that beyonce clip gives 40% CPU. With hardware acceleration off, it's 55-60. Note that h264 acceleration is fine playing off Bluray, down around 2% even with 40-50mbit. this reminds me of my first tests with this clip in XP, couldn`t get DXVA to work for 2 hours. than I loaded Grigas simple TS Player , and after hitttttttting hard DXVA for 10 times or so the magic happened and it was activated in TS player and afterwards in all players..... WMP, MPclassic, DVBViewer never seen such strange behaviour before , really funny ;) http://www.DVBViewer.info/forum/index.php?...st&p=143463 do you like the PQ of this 50 Euro card ....arfster ? Edited July 6, 2007 by vonMengen Quote Link to comment
arfster Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 (edited) do you like the PQ of this 50 Euro card ....arfster ? Yeah - it seems comparable to the 8500. Will try some more tests later, don't have time atm. By the way, for others' reference the bug I mentioned above is fixed by changing this reg key to 0: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Video\{EAC7D916-DFB4-412B-9B16-C7B5D5601653}001\UMD\DXVA\DXVA_Only24FPS1080H264 24fps gets accelerated by default, but 25 doesn't *duh*. Works fine now. Edit: the exact reg key above depends on your machine of course - just do a reg search for DXVA_Only24FPS1080H264. There are actually two entries under that graphics card, 000 and 001 for VGA and DVI, but they mirror each others' settings (ie change one, it'll change the other automatically.). Edited July 7, 2007 by arfster Quote Link to comment
ricabullah Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 (edited) It seems more or less the same. (8600GTS)-by the way vonMengen why Peter, why not Beyonce? Edited July 6, 2007 by ricabullah Quote Link to comment
vonMengen Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 (edited) Yeah - it seems comparable to the 8500. Will try some more tests later, don't have time atm. By the way, for others' reference the bug I mentioned above is fixed by changing this reg key to 0: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Video\{EAC7D916-DFB4-412B-9B16-C7B5D5601653}001\UMD\DXVA\DXVA_Only24FPS1080H264 24fps gets accelerated by default, but 25 doesn't *duh*. Works fine now. yes but be careful XP strings are very different Vista has a lot more options for image manipulations there is no TRDenoise or such things in XP you have to create new dwords , @rica I am hetero ...but I like the PQ and the smoothness of this clip best m Edited July 6, 2007 by vonMengen Quote Link to comment
ricabullah Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 (edited) @rica I am hetero ...but I like the PQ and the smoothness of this clip Sure! But let me say i get tired of his "ready to cry" face for two days. Bad choice. Best! Edited July 7, 2007 by ricabullah Quote Link to comment
arfster Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 Another problem: EVR with these cards forces PC levels (at least in Vista). VMR9 is fine. Have tested with numerous decoders, different formats, dxva on/off. Basically makes the card unusable :-( Shame, but these drivers are utter garbage - they're riddled with bugs (eg no vista mpeg2 HD hardware acceleration/deinterlacing, wtf?). The hardware is very good when it works, nice deinterlacing even on HD h264, but the software kills all that promise. Quote Link to comment
ricabullah Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 The hardware is very good when it works, nice deinterlacing even on HD h264, but the software kills all that promise. Do you mean another jungle; red one? Quote Link to comment
arfster Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 Do you mean another jungle; red one? Even worse for me, I'm afraid. Since PDVD uses EVR, I have to calibrate it one way to play HD discs (and that expansion causes other issues, since it's unnecessary processing). I then have to calibrate it another to get VMR9. Of course, I don't have the 50hz problems you do, which would be a complete killer. Quote Link to comment
boborg Posted July 8, 2007 Author Share Posted July 8, 2007 (edited) Shame, but these drivers are utter garbage - they're riddled with bugs (eg no vista mpeg2 HD hardware acceleration/deinterlacing, wtf?). Yes we're still awaiting the perfect HTPC graphics card. I'm wonder how long it'll take to remove bugs. Think I'll look for a Ethernet receiver like the upcoming Vantage or Dreambox 8000 for optimal playback. Edited July 8, 2007 by boborg Quote Link to comment
arfster Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Little update, vista mpeg2 can be made to work in the 2400. There's an installation settings for the 2400 that stops it working (not the 2600, it's fine). See here for more details: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread....p;#post10988769 Note that in Vista VMR9 hardware acceleration murders this card, so much so that fullscreen interlaced 1080i isn't possible. With EVR it's fine. Quote Link to comment
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